Does Proverbs 8:22-31 Prove Jesus Was Created?

When it comes to Jehovah’s Witnesses trying to prove that Christ was created, they’ll typically go straight to Proverbs 8:22-31 where wisdom is personified. They will say that since Jesus is called the wisdom of God in 1st Corinthians 1:30, then that means that the Proverbs 8 passage shows that Christ was created, especially in the New World Translation where they render it “Jehovah produced me at the beginning of his way,…”.

Translations aside, if you look just a few verses back in 1st Corinthians 1:24, it says the following:

  • 24”but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.“‭

So not only does it call Christ the wisdom of God, it also calls Christ the POWER of God.

Romans 1:20 says that the POWER of God is eternal:

  • 20”For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, both His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen…”

On top of THAT, ‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬ says that God’s power is Divine:

  • 3”seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the full knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.“

So if Jesus is the wisdom of God as the scriptures say, he’s also the POWER of God, which is ETERNAL AND DIVINE… completely invalidating the Jehovah’s Witness interpretation of Christ being created in Proverbs 8:22-31.

Additionally, and I’ve never had a Jehovah’s Witness answer this, if God created wisdom in Proverbs 8:22, does that mean that God existed at some point without wisdom? Did God need wisdom to create wisdom? I mean seriously… think this through…

And The Word Was God pt. 4

Continuing on with my series where the Word of God is identified as Jehovah Himself. The same Word of God from John 1:1? Yep, that’s him. Let’s read the following passage in Jeremiah:


Jeremiah 13:1-6
1Thus Yahweh said to me, “Go and buy yourself a linen belt and put it around your loins, but do not put it in water.” 2So I bought the belt in accordance with the Word of Yahweh and put it around my loins. 3Then the Word of Yahweh came to me *a second time*, saying, 4“Take the belt that you have bought, which is around your loins, and arise, go to the Euphrates and hide it there in a crevice of the rock.” 5So I went and hid it by the Euphrates, as Yahweh had commanded me. 6Now it happened that after many days Yahweh said to me, “Arise, go to the Euphrates and take from there the belt which I commanded you to hide there.”


  • So in verse 1, Jehovah / Yahweh goes to Jeremiah and tells him to go buy a linen belt, which Jeremiah does.
  • In verse 2, Jeremiah says he bought the belt in accordance with what the Word of Yahweh told him to do. Wait… Yahweh told him to do that, not the Word of Yahweh, right?
  • Then in verse 3, the Word of Yahweh came to Jeremiah a second time… wait, what? A SECOND time? Yes… because the first time was in verse 1, where he says it was Jehovah / Yahweh.
  • Then in verse 5, Jeremiah says he went and hid the belt as Jehovah / Yahweh had commanded him. But wait… it was the Word of Yahweh that commanded him to do that, not Yahweh.
  • Then in verse 6, Jehovah / Yahweh tells him to go retrieve the belt which “I” commanded Jeremiah hide there. But wait… Jeremiah was commanded to hide it there in verse 4 by the Word of Yahweh, not Yahweh, right?

This passage clearly shows to anyone that can be honest, that the Word of God is identified as Jehovah Himself.

If Jehovah’s Witnesses were honest pt. 4

The 2030 Edition of the NWT:

‭‭John‬ ‭2‬:‭19‬-‭22‬
”Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days, my Father will dissolve it into gasses!” Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and your Father will dissolve it into gasses in only 3 days?” But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore, when His body was dissolved into gasses, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.“

And The Word Was God pt. 3

Continuing in this series about the the Word of God actually being Yahweh, let’s consider the following verses:


In the following verses, the Word of God, yep, the same Word of God from John 1:1, outright claims to be Jehovah / Yahweh.

Jeremiah 32:26-27:
26Then the Word of Yahweh came to Jeremiah, saying, 27Behold, I am Yahweh, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?”


You can go through the entire chapter if you’d like, but there’s absolutely ZERO ambiguity here. The Word of God IS Yahweh.

The Angel of The Lord is Jehovah pt. 1

In this series, I’ll be posting multiple parts with this subject, showing that the Angel of the Lord, or the Angel of Yahweh / Jehovah in the Old Testament speaks AS Jehovah (Yahweh), identifies Himself AS Jehovah (Yahweh), takes credit for things Jehovah (Yahweh) does and will do, is addressed by others using the actual name Jehovah (Yahweh) and he never once corrects anyone for addressing him this way. In short, the Angel of Yahweh IS Yahweh, the second person of the Trinity (Christ).

So first off, let’s come to the understanding that the word “Angel”, simply means messenger. The Angel of the Lord appears throughout the Old Testament and seemingly disappears in the New Testament after Christ’s birth. Throughout the Old Testament, the Angel of Yahweh appears in what is commonly known as a Christophany, which is an appearance or manifestation of Christ in the OT. Also, there is a difference between “the” Angel of Yahweh and “an” angel of Yahweh. The definite article is important to the context so don’t mistake the two messengers to be the same.


Let’s take a look at the following verses:
Genesis‬ ‭28‬:‭10‬-‭13‬, ‭16‬-‭20 ‭LSB‬‬ ”Then Jacob departed from Beersheba and went toward Haran. And he reached a certain place and spent the night there because the sun had set; and he took one of the stones of the place and put it under his head and lay down in that place. Then he had a dream, and behold, a ladder stood on the earth with its top touching heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. And behold, Yahweh stood above it and said, “I am Yahweh, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie, I will give it to you and to your seed. Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, “Surely Yahweh is in this place, and I did not know it.” And he was afraid and said, “How fearsome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.” So Jacob rose early in the morning and took the stone that he had put under his head and set it up as a pillar and poured oil on its top. And he called the name of that place ***Bethel***; however, previously the name of the city had been Luz. Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will keep me on this journey on which I am going, and will give me food to eat and garments to wear, and I return to my father’s house in peace, then Yahweh will be my God.
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Then in Genesis 31:11-13 LSB, we see the Angel of God is speaking and claims TO BE GOD:
”Then the angel of God said to me in the dream, ‘Jacob,’ and I said, ‘Here I am.’ He said, ‘Lift up now your eyes and see that all the male goats which are mating are striped, speckled, and mottled; for I have seen all that Laban has been doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar, where you made a vow to Me; now arise, leave this land, and return to the land of your kin.’ ”“
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So Jacob put a stone under his head to sleep on. When he woke up, he made a pillar with it, anointed it (poured oil on its top), named the place Bethel AND made a vow to Yahweh there.

Then the Angel of Yahweh comes to Jacob later and claims to be the God of Bethel, and says that Jacob made a vow “to ME“.

The problem is, the Angel of Yahweh is not mentioned in Genesis 28 where all of this is taking place. Only Yahweh / God is mentioned. So how does the Angel of Yahweh claim to be the God of Bethel, and claim that Jacob made a vow to Him? Well that’s simple. The Angel of Yahweh is Christ in the OT and Jesus Christ is God.

And The Word Was God pt. 2

Continuing in this series about the the Word of Yahweh actually being Yahweh, let’s consider the following verses:


In 1 Samuel 15:10-11, the Word of Yahweh regrets making Saul king:

10”Then the Word of Yahweh came to Samuel, saying, 11I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not established My words.” And Samuel became angry and cried out to Yahweh all night.“

But wait… in 1 Samuel 15:35, it says that Yahweh himself regretted making Saul King:

35”So Samuel did not see Saul again until the day of his death; for Samuel grieved over Saul. And Yahweh regretted that He had made Saul king over Israel.“


So some questions here.

  1. Who did Saul turn away from following?
  2. Who’s words did Saul not establish?
  3. And finally, who made Saul king?

It’s clear from these verses that the action of making Saul king, is attributed to both Yahweh and the Word of Yahweh. Just another clear example of actions taken by both Persons is attributed to both, spoken of by both as if each of them made Saul king, because THEY did.

And The Word Was God pt. 1

In this series, I will be posting multiple parts with this subject, showing that the Word of God in the Old Testament speaks AS Jehovah (Yahweh), identifies Himself AS Jehovah (Yahweh), takes credit for things Jehovah (Yahweh) does and will do, is addressed by others using the actual name Jehovah (Yahweh) and he never once corrects anyone for addressing him this way. In short, the Word of Yahweh IS Yahweh.

When talking to Jehovah’s Witnesses, they will agree that The Word of God is Jesus. It’s why they changed John 1:1 to say “the Word was a god” instead of “the Word was God.” Jesus being the Word of God is easily seen by reading Revelation 19:11-16 and John 1:1,18. With this in mind, let’s consider the following scriptures:


Genesis 15:1-8 – Legacy Standard Bible:
1”After these things the Word of Yahweh came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not fear, Abram, I am a shield to you; Your reward shall be very great.” 2And Abram said, “O Lord Yahweh, what will You give me, as I go on being childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3And Abram said, “Since You have given no seed to me, behold, one born in my house is my heir.” 4Then behold, the Word of Yahweh came to him, saying, “This one will not be your heir; but one who will come forth from your own body, he shall be your heir.” 5And He brought him outside and said, “Now look toward the heavens, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your seed be.” 6 Then he believed in Yahweh; and He counted it to him as righteousness. 8 And He said to him, “I am Yahweh who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to possess it.” And he said, “O Lord Yahweh, how may I know that I will possess it? … ”“ (emphasis added)


So in these verses, as plain as can be, we have the Word of Yahweh coming to Abram (Abraham), Abram responding and conversing with him, calling him Yahweh, Abram believing in Yahweh because of what the Word of Yahweh has said to him and then finally in verse 7, the Word of Yahweh Himself, identifies Himself AS YAHWEH.

You can’t get any more direct than that.

Hebrews 1:6 – And let ALL the angels of God worship him.

Let’s talk about Hebrews 1:6 from a different angle. This verse is where the Father says ”And let all the angels of God worship Him.” in reference to Jesus, or as the NWT renders it, “do obeisance to him”. So how can we determine the most accurate way to translate this verse without the typical and unfruitful argument over the Greek?

Well, let’s take a look at what the watchtower has done throughout the years in regards to this verse.


  • In the 1970 edition of the NWT, they rendered it as “And let all God’s angels worship him.”.

  • In the 1969 Kingdom Interlinear, even though they changed the Greek rendering to be “let do obeisance toward”, they still render the actual translation as “let all God’s angels worship him.”

  • In the 1984 NWT (with references) it reads “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”

Now the important part of this, is in the reference column of the 1984 NWT, where there’s a reference to Deuteronomy 32:43. If you go read Deuteronomy 32:43, you won’t really find anything that seems to be a reference to Hebrews 1:6, but if you look a little closer at the reference, it actually says “De 32:43 LXX”. This LXX is a reference to the Lexicon or what’s more commonly known as the Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of the Old Testament.

What do you see when you read the Septuagint version of Deuteronomy 32:43? You see this: “43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him;…

So these words are said about the Father in Deuteronomy 32:43, then the Father literally quotes Deuteronomy 32:43 as a directive for all of his angels to WORSHIP Jesus in Hebrews 1:6.

The worst part about all of this is that the watchtower knows all about it because they put the reference in the NWT. The reference has obviously been removed from the latest online version of the NWT, but you can go download the 1984 NWT in pdf format right off their website and see it for yourself. Clear as day, they reference the LXX / Septuagint version of Deuteronomy 32:43 in Hebrews 1:6. They make that connection themselves, all on their own.

So it’s blatantly clear to anyone doing just some basic research, comparing practically every other reputable translation along with the Septuagint, that this should absolutely be rendered as WORSHIP, and not how the latest NWT butchers it. The watchtower says it themselves by using that reference.

I know it, the watchtower knows it, and now you know it too.

Charles Taze Russell’s Grave Site Pyramid Removed!

Well, just like most things that the Jehovah’s Witnesses try to hide, they decided to remove Charles Taze Russell’s grave site pyramid. Please review the following video:

No need to worry though, Google Street View keeps a history, so click here to view it for yourself.

Charles Taze Russell’s Grave Site Pyramid

Charles Taze Russell… He was the founder of the Watchtower Organization, or the Jehovah’s Witnesses as they are more commonly known. If you talk to any Jehovah’s Witness about him, they will freely admit that he started the publications for them, but will deny that he started their religion. They will insist that they have been around since biblical times, though there’s zero evidence of this.

Anyway, when he died on October 31, 1916, he was buried in Rosemont United Cemetery in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I recently had an opportunity to visit this cemetery to view the enormous pyramid marker at his grave site that was put there by Joseph Rutherford, Russell’s successor as President of the Watchtower Organization.

The pyramid is NOT Russell’s grave or grave stone, though it was put there as a tribute to him. His actual head stone has a photo of him on both sides. I tried to take pictures to give a good perspective of their locations to each other. Here’s the address of the cemetery:

  • United Cemeteries
    226 Cemetery Ln.
    Pittsburgh, PA 15237-2722
    Tel (412) 931-1017

Here’s the video and multiple images. It was raining that day so the writing on the pyramid may be hard to see. Click on the images for the actual high resolution view. Also, try to watch the video in HD if you can.

This video and all images below are free to use and distribute as you see fit.

For those who don’t believe me, go here to Google Maps to see it: